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RRR says Hello Everyone
« on: September 19, 2013, 05:41:45 PM »
Hello, My first post. Sure enjoy this site. Looking at Amplifiers. I like that Little Walter sound and also realize most of the sound comes from the harp player. Looking at boutique size amps because of the portability and price. Just can't justify a HarpGear. Would like to fine a small tube amp with xlr out to PA. Only one I know is Hohner HooDoo but have not played one and hear that it's a little tinny. Still just scratching my head, but will find the right one sooner or layer. Later Amigos.
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Re: RRR says Hello Everyone
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2013, 09:03:18 PM »
What's your price range?

You might want to look at some old amps like a Kalamazoo II.  If you buy and old one, it might need to be fixed up a bit, so consider that cost.

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2013, 11:09:27 AM »
Or just buy my Valcos!!!!!

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2013, 12:19:58 PM »
Hello RRR,

I'm don't know what equipment Little Walter used, and as you stated it's all in the harp player.

I think that one of the best harp amplifiers for the dollar is a tubed Kalamazoo (Gibson electronics).

Valco's such as those Naptown Blue is selling are excellent.

An old Bogen tube amplifier would be another good choice - one that you could hook up to a speaker of choice - or buy one built into a custom cabinet by this site's Blue Box.

I've been tempted to try a small and portable Pig Nose amp.

-Eric

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2013, 01:51:21 PM »
RRR,
I was looking in the 10 watt range for tube amps and ended up with VHT Special 6 which sounds pretty good OOTB.  One thing that attracted me to it was the ease of upgrade. From what I read, swapping a few tubes will improve sound and, if you're up for it, a speaker swap is not too hard or expensive and helps the sound even more. These improvements can all be DIY and add maybe 20% to price. But, as is, I like the sound and it is reasonably priced.
If you want to endlessly research this topic, try searching on the Forum on the Modern Blues Harmonica website (linked to the left under "Adam Gussow").
Good luck
jeff

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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2013, 11:47:48 PM »
RRR,

I have the VHT Special 6 as well, with the Jim Rossen harp mods.  It is awesome.  I got it for $160 on eBay.  I've had small amps that were supposed to be great harp amps, they all had feedback problems and I never felt like I ever got any of them dialed in.   The modded VHT is a dream: no feedback problems, powerful cupped sound, just love it.  I think the Kalamazoo sounds different/better but costs twice as much. 

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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2013, 11:51:59 PM »
Nap, where's your post re the Valcos?  Worth considering for sure.


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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2013, 12:42:13 PM »
Sellers are asking too much for some of the Kalamazoos I see - and they don't sell. I bought two dinged up Model One's, thinking one might end up being used for parts, and ended up with two good amps for $200.

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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2013, 06:14:12 PM »
I think i put them in gear lust.  I was going to plug them in and post a youtube video of them here so that you could hear the tone raw without any effects or backing track, just havent gotten around to it yet.

Personally, i dont think you could get much better than whatever simple circuit the valco's used. Boutique amp builders have been just chasing that old 50's sound ever since.

Having said that, just get a cheap amp and a bullet mic and go for it.  There isnt a hapr player out there who isnt playing through a 1959 bassman who isnt still chasing the holy unattainable amp tone.

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2013, 02:32:00 PM »
Hello RRR,
I spent decades looking for that "right" sound and discovered it only after I had developed my natural chops on SM58s and PA speakers.

Since then I've used a Kalamazoo II with Shaker dynamic and crystal mics for years. Outstanding tone and fat breakup but not quite big enough to take on a full band; sounds thin in the mix with little or no headroom.

(Got mine on Ebay, replaced leaky caps, bad tube, old two-wire power cord and speaker; just a bad-ass little amp!) Very portable, needs reinforcement when playing big stage; sounds more like Paul Butterfield than LW.  Hard to go wrong with the K'zoo.

So now I'm using a modified a Fender Excelsior for bigger gigs; at 13 watts with a 15" speaker this beast is nearly unmanageable OOTB.   I've replaced the ridiculous high/low tone switch with full-sweep tone control, replaced stock 12ax7 with Tube Amp Doctor 7250 (earlier breakup, more bass emphasis) and wired in a Weber 15W dual channel attenuator.  That lets me crank the amp up to drive the power tubes without blowing out my windows and I can attenuate low-mid and high-mid ranges separately.  Added bonus; it has built-in line out jack!

 A Boss G7 seven-band EQ tames the feedback up front (drop the mid frequencies) and a Danelectro Corned Beef reverb gives a little slap-back to fatten up the range and take the edge off high frequencies.  I use a Shaker dynamic mic (nice range, dark tone with nice bottom end) and occasionally a Shaker crystal mic (really crisp, cuts like a Strat, louder than dynamic but quicker to feed back) through an Audio Technica analog wireless system.  The wireless rig produces a slightly compressed signal, fine for what I'm doing.  And I'll probably end up replacing the stock speaker.

The Kalamazoo, IMHO, still sounds better.

So what's the point?  Square inches.

 The 10" speaker on the Kalamazoo pushes 78.5 square inches of air.  The 15" speaker on the Excelsior pushes a massive 176.6 square inches of air, more than enough to keep up with a five piece band on outdoor stages.  But, as noted, it takes a fair amount of modification to reap that big air and still get those fat brown tones on stage..

Bottom line is, learn your acoustic chops first.  Then buy a Kalamazoo (or Valco or whatever) and fall in love with your chops all over.  Then join a band and start all over.

It never ends...

Gorf





 







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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2013, 06:52:00 PM »
Ha ha, good post Gorf.    :D

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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2013, 04:41:26 AM »
Yeah,

Well put by Gorf.
I'm still keepin' it simple with a PigNose 7-100, that I sometimes use as a pre-amp in my PA FENDER PASSPORT 150.
A pity the little nice looking ever so cute PigNose is so feedbackprone.
Been quit happy with both I must say.
One of the coolest things 'bout the PigNose is the possibility to use a guitarstrap and just carry it around while playin, 'cause it works on batteries too. Gives great streetcredibility to my taste.

See ya'll
John

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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2013, 04:47:16 PM »
John,
If it squeals like a pig you might try the Boss G7 7-band EQ pedal.  Feedback is usually in the 4-6K range for me so I drop those two sliders down a bit, fatten up the bass end.  Added bonus is a volume control (preamp) and it runs forever on a 9v battery.

Gorf

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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2013, 12:11:55 AM »
Thanks Gorf.

Gonna check it out allright!

Trying something right now with an adaption of the Bo Diddley riff. Quite demanding and speedy, but might get some foottapping from some folks!
We'll see, excellent stuff to amplify.

Greetz mate,
John